testimony of taylor yesterday, you see somebody who is a 50-year public servant, credible, despite the fact the white house called him a radical unelected bureaucrat. he is anything but radical. he has worked for democrats and republicans and what he saw as he said, i'm going to read something else to you. he said it was a rancorous story, side channels, quid pro quos, corruption and interference in elections, all the while he said ukraine was in an existential battle for its very survival losing 13,000 people in a fight with russia. so, this is -- this is an argument that the white house can try and have and destroy a public servant like taylor or talk about the process, but when you see someone like thune come out who is a thoughtful guy and who is going to have to listen