regular process and relate it to that i think we're also going to see a battle over the rules that the committee are using to conduct these investigations. in both nixon and clinton, there were rules that prevented cross-examination. that's not here either. i think what the white house will be saying, look, if you're going to do an impeachment process, do it in the way it was done in nixon and clinton. do that here. >> a valid question. it still does not stop where we are in this moment, of someone who wanted to voluntarily testify before congress, had been offering himself up. and then was blocked because he's still, you know, an employee of the state department. abby, then there are these impeachment poll numbers coming out in a new "washington post" poll. and they're rough for the president. the reason they're relevant, i'm going to go back to some of jamie gindale's reporting,