is he would like rick perry to travel from austin to dallas to go to a meeting the president is having with local leaders and other elected officials who are talking about converting schools in dallas to temporary shelters for these unaccompanied minors. by the way, there are reports out of houston that that kind of move is also afoot down there, turning schools into detention facilities. it just gives you a sense as to the massive scope of this crisis. but getting back to the political back and forth here, it would be interesting if rick perry were to say no to all of this after all of the complaints that he's registered in the last several days aimed at the president. there is a part of this, i think you are aware of this, that perhaps the white house is setting a bit of a track to say no. it will be interesting to see how it plays out. >> thanks so much, jim. let's talk more about both the issue and the politics. maria cardona is a democratic strategist. carla stewart is former national press secretary for rick