used and people have heads to the bed and they are making money in america and we have smugglers taking children across. >> this brings us to this scenario that we're seeing. some of voices here yelling, you see the signs, return to sender. they are saying people should come to this nation legally and not through a back door. but the fact remains on those buses are children. we've had people sit on this very desk is say it's unamerican we would turn these children away that are facing poverty and maybe even death back home in their home nation. how do we balance those two things? >> very difficult subject. we are a nation of law, and we are a government and a nation that took great stock in our legacy of immigration. we are all immigrants and post 9/11 as we see with the chinese exclusion acts in the 1800s, when that pendulum swings and there's for immigration and against immigration kind of sentiment, when you have a