role particularly as a mother? >> i think were a man, this would not even be a topic of conversation. >> so the fact is there is this -- we all talk about it, john you talk about, you know, your kids with me and the challenges that you have to face, that sometime you have to miss a work thing that we're doing for fun to get home to the kids. we all -- and even professional aunties like you and i, donna, we have to make choices and sacrifices. the conversation maybe have been at least with mary barra about that whole work-life balance altogether, men and women. there's more demands on all of us nowadays. >> well, i don't know who -- let me just say and i have so many friends who as you well know, you know, they struggle. this is a tough issue. their kids get sick they need to be at home, they need to be someplace else, who is going to watch the kids. i get it from both ends. i get it from my male friends and female friends.