region of iraq and region of syria, is there a u.s. interest there? >> one is if you break it, you own it. do we have a moral obligation to help fix a situation in a country where we helped break it. number two, we have an interest in peace and civility around the world. we don't intervene in every single place. if there are a direct threat against our interests, no, and are we going to make it better by intervening, no. we make it worse. >> i know you disagree with that. this, i do want you to address. is there a will in the united states? i do not see a national will for any kind of military involvement? >> i think you have a very good point. if you ask the american people right now, if you do polls, they would say absolutely not. but it is the responsibility of leadership to make a case for what is in america's national security interests and to sell that to the american people and