sanders' brand. sanders is running kind of a different sort of campaign, above the kind of politics we've seen in the past as part of the argument of his campaign. so this, i think, in some way mars that a bit because it reminds people what they don't like about politics. this unfair edge. if, in fact, they were peeking at clinton's data. >> we have a debate coming up saturday night, hillary clinton and bernie sanders. do you think it's worth hillary clinton bringing this up because you could make the case cyber data issues are complicated, for the former secretary of state? >> she could make that case. frankly, she's kind of starting to move ahead, if not in all the numbers, certainly in the psyche of a lot of people in the party. people are interested in bernie sanders, they like some of the messages sanders has.