shields, but we're fighting a very politically correct war. >> but we see that happening in ramadi. >> with the terrorists, you have to take out their families. when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. they care about their lives, don't kid yourself. >> mr. trump -- >> they say they don't care about their lives. you have to take out their families. >> you have to take out their families. what do you think of that strategy? >> well, i'm not sure what mr. trump has in mind, whether he's saying that we should kill the kids of isis members. you know, i will say this. isis is using people as human shields in areas in iraq, for example, that are being encircled by iraqi forces. they don't want the civilians to flee. they are threatening to kill civilians, trying to flee because they want these civilians as human shields. and it has been, i think, a very difficult dilemma for the administration to figure out just which targets to go after and what risk of civilian casualties to incur. it's not about being politically correct, though. and i strongly disagree with mr.