on the plane? >> not necessarily. let's take a look at this scenario in its entirety. this device or function or event, whatever you wish to call it, occurred 24 minutes into this flight. now, the -- inspire magazine, a propaganda magazine produced by al qaeda, their 13th issue which came out in 2014 targeted aircraft. and it recommended that commercial aircraft be taken down while in flight, at altitude. this event occurred 24 minutes into flight. if this was a conventional timer, let's say a -- they had 59 minutes to work with, had there been a ground delay, this whole event would have been completely different. there may have been survivors or no casualties whatsoever if this event had occurred on the ground. of course, with technology as it is, cell phones have been used. the printer cartridges used.