criminals who do have connections and money, vast amounts of power and influence among the criminal world, do you -- these guards don't necessarily -- they're not very well paid, and they don't really -- do they have mechanisms for whistle blowing, for instance? if they hear rumors about tunnel building -- i mean, someone had to talk, right? do they have anyone they can tell? i think that's the important thing looking forward on a more serious note rather than just pointing fingers, et cetera, which will be done, is looking at how these places are policed and how -- whether guards have the right mechanisms to report w what they see as criminal activity. human rights sometimes visits the prisons, but not all the time. they're not always allowed access. that's an important thing to consider. >> malcolm, you write about life on the run, the hunt for el