if al douri is captured or killed or does it have an impact on the organization on the ground? >> it will have an impact. every time you kill a leader of one of these terrorists organizations, they are replaced. they have a deep bench. the replacement generally isn't as competent as the one that's been removed. it impacts the organization. paul brings up good points about the actual relationship between al douri and isis. this will impact a lot of sunnis that are supporting isis as we know this is a -- as paul says, this is a marriage of convenience. it may impact that a little bit. is it going to impact isis' capability on the battlefield, i don't think so. >> wait to see if we get confirmation about whether this man was actually killed and more confirmation about the military operation that may have taken him out. that would be very interesting as well. paul cruickshank, lieutenant