walking in to swear in oath. what we can't see is the gallery. there's been a lot of discussion about the gallery, how years ago it was standing room only and you couldn't get a seat unless you maybe waited overnight to get in the courthouse and gone through the throngs of people who were lovers and haters of o.j. simpson. it is so different now, paul callan, why is that? >> it's totally different. i was involved in the civil case against him in santa monica, and there was literally a tent city outside the courthouse. you would go through a bank of lights and photographers as you went to the courthouse every day. people waited in line. but, you know, his celebrity has faded. i think today's kind of an important event for the public because people forget that he never testified in the criminal trial, which of course was televised. in the civil case where he was proven to have committed the murders, he did testify, but the judge banned cameras from that