so it is atrocity. we're shocked. again, i don't know if family does not know how to share the grief with the victim. >> could you tell us the last time you saw them? >> we've not been in touch with that family for number of years. for number of years. pardon me? no. they never lived here. they never lived here. >> when is the last time you saw them? >> the last time i saw them was 2006. i'm sorry, december 2005. >> did you ever know them to have any ill-will towards the united states? >> no. no. no. i never knew even if i had to guess or something -- >> what do you think provoked