it is territory that is very much occupied by the pro-russian groups. a lot of checkpoints. they're heavily armed. we passed convoys of their military vehicles that they have acquired from armored personnel carriers to armored vehicles with missile batteries attached to them and so forth. regularly checked, at checkpoints. terrible roads accessing this location. it is very remote. and that's the other challenge. even in the event that the groups here decided to allow wider access to ukrainian authorities and groups for people to come in and really see what is going on here. actually mobilizing those forces, getting them to this very remote location would be very difficult and would take a great deal of time. so what we're saying is that after a day and a half, it will be two days soon. the scene here has not changed a great deal. it hasn't been secured. nothing has really been looked at very closely.