right before that, it's the slums. there's no in the middle, i guess you would say. that's the problem with detroit. there's a general consensus of fear of this city, you know what i mean? >> wait a minute. you have a whole hipster resurgence going on. in court town. >> yeah. it's great. a lot of people talk -- but it's positive. when you are a city left without options, you know, it's time to accept things. bringing positive energy, businesses, money, it's a great thing. core town was abandoned. phil cooley opened up chance on that strip and it exploded ever since. >> who are the customers? >> anyone who wants to come to detroit and eat barbecue, where do they go? sloan's. >> not here. >> not here. >> whose barbecue is better? tough question. >> where we're sitting at, you know.