no, i don't see anything. but he said, it's there, can you see it? and he told me it made him feel really good, and he thought it was an angel. >> nine years later or so, when he was 13, you took him to the cardiologist. >> he explained what was happening with ben's heart that it wasn't pumping properly at this point, and fluid was backing up. the doctor reiterated that we need to start thinking about heart transplant. >> so how did ben take this? >> when ben and i left the appointment, he just asked me very seriously, mom, am i going to die? so i said, yes, you will, and we all do at some point. none of us really know when that is. >> how hard was that conversation for you? >> it was really heart breaking. he was just so young.