you've seen the worst part of the criminal justice system. as you hear this conversation, what do you think? >> you know, it saddens me, it sickens me that we still go through this 25 years later after the central park jogger case. when i found out about the verdict, i was crushed. it took me back to when we was convicted and i had to relive that all over again. it's like, you know, you get to a point when you say enough is enough. when do we win one? it's like we go through all these cases -- [ applause ] you know, we can read the list off. when does it stop? and it sickens me. but it strengthens me in a sense because it pushes our own case. we're still in the legal battle with the city right now. for ten years. and it's sad. >> charles, when you say that the system failed trayvon martin long before that shot was fired,