He's trailing 46% of the former president's 51%. >> and then nevada and other close wind by biden, he trails a similar 45% to the former president's 50%. both leads are within the margin of error. the former president's appeal to voters despite obvious questions about his character is the subject of this recent column by that new york times this is frank bruno. he writes, i'm routinely gobs mac by how many people, including influential democrats, tell me that they can't imagine a victory by donald trump in november i'm even more astounded by their reasoning. frank bruno joins us now, what, what is their reasoning that they can't imagine this? >> they can't imagine it because basically they think trump is so awful, right okay. >> i mean, i feel like i've heard that argument before. i think i heard it in 2016, didn't i mean, that's that's the thing. >> i mean, you could call this idealism or you could call it amnesia, right people seem to know, granted trump has been saying things that i think are even more awful if you can quantify or qualify why these things. i mean, the vermin, the poisoning, the bloodstream. i