i think we're seeing a parallel here with make sure if you're going to go into a vehicle, whether it's an aircraft or a surface craft or submersible that it's been through certifying agencies, that it's been signed off. >> seems like a basic point, doesn't it? while the u.s. coast guard is leading efforts to determine how the titan sub imploded, canada has its own investigation under way to determine the possibility at least of criminal liability for those five people killed on board. an effort complicated by the fact that oceangate's founder and ceo, stockton rush, once made comments about breaking safety rules in pursuit of innovation, was one of the victims. he died on the sub. joining me now is a maritime attorney and a u.s. coast guard licensed deep sea captain. good to have you on. thanks so much for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> so he did not have any certification for this. he spoke about it publicly. he said sometimes certification slows things down. sure it does.
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