was to underestimate your enemy and overestimate your own capabilities and maybe an opportunity. so the ukrainians need to stay extremely focused. this is like the hedge rows in normandy after the landings. >> fight hedge row by hedge row. >> 50 yards by 50 yards. the only way to get through it is to pop your head up and become a target. this is not dissimilar from that. the ukrainians have to be very aggressive with their intelligence collection and their maneuvers. >> they're claiming some success although not massive success in the last 24, 48 hours. okay. belarus here. by the way, this is a story, so i'm applying it with a grain of salt. the idea is that prigozhin is now up here, and some of his forces now up here in belarus. what's the significance of that? >> i don't -- my view is that lukashenko got involved because putin told him, make this a safe haven temporarily. we still don't know where prigozhin is located.