between him and president biden quote did not go well. white house disputes that account and also sees events differently. the president's top military adviser said today, comparing -- compared to a previous russian troop movement, this time quote does feel different. and he laid out in stark terms what an invasion would look like. >> given the type of forces that are arrayed, the ground maneuver forces, the artillery, ballistic missiles, the air forces, all of it packaged together -- if this was unleashed on ukraine, it would be significant, very significant. and it would result in a significant amount of casualties and -- and you can imagine what that might look like in dense-urban areas, long roads and so on and so forth. it would be horrific. it would be terrible. >> lot of seemingly conflicting information try to get a handle on, joined now by mark hurtly, former commanding general of the u.s. army in europe. also, steve hall, retired cia