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last month before the grand jury was quested on the raffensperger call, you said just the words themselves i find it hard to believe that someone can indict or ever get a conviction that was supporting either obstruction or perjury or election fraud. what do you make of the now that the grand jury is moving forward? . it's going to depend who is on the grand jury. this grand jury can't indict. this is a special purpose grand jury which just does the investigation and as jfry said, it subpoenas records, subpoenas documents and can take sworn testimony. but it cannot indict. it just does a report at the end, a maximum of a year, which would be may of 2023. so it won't indict. you know, whether the phone call to mr. raffensperger ultimately would lead to a criminal grand jury to indict is questionable. and i find it even more questionable that ultimately a trial jury in fulton county would convict. jurors in fulton county reflect, you know, jurors throughout the

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