we've seen come out of the committee so far, they are actually going after specific people, specific times, and -- and likely, specific conversations. so, i would expect that there was a fairly specific motivation behind these. but in truth, on the legal level, you don't -- you don't need that sort of specificity. >> and, jeff, now you got these new subpoenas for giuliani, sidney powell, jenna ellis. kind of the whole rose galley of attorneys. i just want to remind people of the caliber of arguments they were making in the early days of the big lie. let's watch. >> so we have mathematical evidence in a number of states of massive quantities of trump votes being trashed. just simply, put in the trash like you would on your computer with any file. and biden votes being injected. >> so that didn't happen. um, what do you make of -- i mean, even if they didn't cooperate, what is the point of doing this? >> well, because you -- you have