january 6th was a crime against the constitution. and so, are they going to find witnesses or evidence that will get people to look more clearly, and understand the nature of that crime? i mean, they -- you know, just trying to overturn an election is, as you point out, an attack on democracy and its central premise. >> gloria, the chairman bennie thompson yesterday called on vice president pence to voluntarily speak to the committee. you have been talking to sources. is that really a possibility? i mean, obviously, we -- there's been reporting by you and others, jamie gangel and others about mark short and others around the vice president speaking. >> right. who are talking to the committee, who are cooperating with the committee, members of staff and also people who are protected the vice president don't forget were witnesses