favor and stay in trump world, because i guess that is where the lecture money is. he wants to stay in the former president's good graces. so, how will we know what level of cooperation there really is? >> we'll know because the committee will ask him questions next week and we'll see how many he answers and on what subjects, and the committee will examine all of these e-mails and perhaps other documents he produced and we'll see if they're grocery lists or actually stuff that relates to january 6th. so we will know, and the committee will not simply roll over on issues that they don't -- you know, he refused -- >> he doesn't want to talk about. >> he doesn't want to talk about. and we'll see if there's any give and take there. but, you know, i think the committee recognizes that, you know, any time they go to court, you are talking about months. and they don't have months. >> john, are there any circumstances under which you see mark meadows being a john dean level witness for this committee? >> i think he would have