an attorney who helped him do it, alan tucker, said the mcmichaels believed the video would clear them in the minds of the public from any wrongdoing. back with us, bakari sellers and sara azari. sara, let me just start with you. this video, without the video, do you think the verdict ever would have been reached? >> no, john. this video -- i mean, first of all, video evidence is the best evidence, right? just imagine if, without this, this jury believed travis mcmichael's testa-lying about the struggle with the gun, about the citizen's arrest. i mean, this verdict would be completely different and -- and i think that's why it gave me some comfort earlier in the day when -- when the jurors came out and asked to watch the video. because that -- that just told the whole story. and to your point, the level of privilege of these three murderers who believed they were exonerated by this video. i mean, this video was anything but exculpatory, right? and they walked around for