mornings here on cnn. how big a setback, michael, is that minneapolis vote for, you know, the most progressive of progressive democrats who actually want to defund police? >> i think it's a huge defeat for advocates of so-called police reform. if you can't get it done where george floyd was killed, where are you going to be able to get it done? it's a terrible messaging issue. it's a terrible messaging issue in so far as defunding the police. anderson, that sounds like some sort of an altruistic goal that you have for somebody else's neighborhood, not yours. and yet, i think there is merit to the idea that is being advanced. we had a case in philadelphia one year ago right now. walter wallace, 27-year-old, young african-american. history of mental health issues, wielding a knife. police arrive. they don't have tasers. gunshots fired. he's dead. this whole movement is about equipping them better to make sure that there's somebody else along for that ride who can de-escalate the situation. that sounds perfectly reasonable.