i am wondering your initial reaction to -- to what you heard from the coroner? >> well, i think we were waiting for the cause of death and, you know, he did say that this was due to strangulation. i didn't know at first what that meant because there are three different kinds of strangulation. there -- there's hanging. there's ligature strangulation and manual strangulation. and obviously, now we know it's manual strangulation which is a very close-in way of killing somebody. it's not like shooting somebody from a distance. this is very personal, and it does tell a story about anger and hostility. um, and just an attack on another person. so, it tells us a lot. >> andrew, when you -- when you hear that cause of death -- manual strangulation, throttling -- is that enough to conclude that this was murder? because we already knew this case was a homicide. but homicide doesn't