puts politics ahead of the country. they are saying, i would rather hurt joe biden than help people. and i don't think in the long term that's a very good strategy. >> interesting how overtime people's perspective changes. there's a lot of people that say, this is socialism, this is too much. they also like medicare, social security, which, you know, a few years ago, or when it started, was viewed in the same way. >> yeah. a lot of the voters that democrats are talking to are theoretical conservatives but operational liberals. is government too big? does it spend too much? heck, yeah. do you think your grandma should be able to get a hearing aid under medicare? of course. she has to hair. the fact that medicare doesn't cover hearing and dental and vision. i'm pretty old. lockhart is probably older than