despicable. i want to apologize for those members of this committee who've done so, and i want to thank you for standing in the breach when so many, including many in this room, failed to do so. >> congresswoman cheney is the subject of the latest column by my next guest, "new york times" columnist tom frieden. want to get perspective from tom who is also author of numerous books including "the world is flat." tom, i want to speak about your column in a moment but first, i know you have spoken at length with congresswoman liz cheney. what do you make of what we just heard, her praising general milley for his loyalty to the constitution today and -- and chastising very directly her republican colleagues? >> she is just doubling down on the principle stand that she's taken. you know, anderson, congresswoman cheney and i probably disagree about 90% of policies. but we agree 100% on what moment we're in right now. we're in a gigantic -- an