say that joe biden is their top pick, they also kind of say, well, maybe they could also vote for pete. they could also vote for amy. it is a little bit less deep than what it is for bernie sanders. but the risk is not just if those voters are going to come out to vote. but it is how wide can that support actually grow more than it was there in 2016. >> in terms of elizabeth warren, especially because in many places they're fighting for the same voters, elizabeth warren has seen her fundraising slow down. as she is consistently trying to stake out this moral high ground when it comes to her fundraising, kirsten. how concerned do you think the campaign should be at this point, seeing that slowdown? >> well, i think they are concerned. i mean, she has said that she hoped that she would do better than this and she has to be concerned also about the fact that her trajectory is no longer upward. and so i think that if you're elizabeth warren you're looking at this and thinking, did i have my moment.