you know, yes, it is true if it were one subpoena that the president did not comply with. but to say to congress, i will not cooperate at all. i will not give you one witness. i will not give you one piece of evidence, you know, email, document, i mean that is precisely the kind of blanket refusal that you can't say to the congress, well, go sue me, and maybe it will be resolved sometime in 2020, 2021. come on, alan. >> yes, you can. in fact, i do that every day when i represent people, and i'm not the president. what i say to prosecutors is, i'm not giving you one bit of evidence. i'm not cooperating. i'm not allowing my person to come in. the burden is on you. you have to prove your case. and i don't obstruct justice by doing that. the president is entitled as head of the executive branch -- >> your clients take the fifth. there is a separation of powers between coordinated branches of government.