takes advantage of the system exploits things. and i think that -- that this is the first time we've had something that's a blockbuster that's not going to work but it's right to call him on it. >> robert, is that a fair criteria to. >> i don't know of the walking abuse of power standard under the constitution whatever james madison might think about it, you know, seriously. with regard to the phone call, i even watched it play out today. evidence at some point does matter. as much as i hear about trying to turn what was in the face of the call a request for assistance with regard to an investigation as equivalent to a demand that was coercive, that had conditions in order to dig dirt up on a political opponent, they are not the same thing. >> but what it wasn't a quid pro quo. >> and an attempt to try to make them the same thing i would suggest to you respectfully if the object here is to garner