what president trump was interested in why did he never bring that up in the call? he brought up crowd strike, a conspiracy theory and brought up the bidens. so there is no evidence that the president actually was -- was holding up the money because of corruption. i think we have now have more information from omb showing how disturbed they were about it. >> dave gergen it's interesting next week the house judiciary committee holding public hearings what constitutes an impeachable offense. and by the rules the president can go and send his lawyers to take part in the hearings and can ask questions. what do you think the white house should do here? what do you think the white house attorneys should do as part of the hearing? >> listen i've said this -- jeff and kristen maffe heard before as well as david. i don't think -- again i don't think the president is under any obls to prove himself innocent here. the house they made the decision want to bring impeachment charges and bring the charges. they need to bring the evidence prove that the president did these things.