character, complete newcomer, standup comic, sitcom actor, also a businessman but a newcomer, totally outside politics, sweeps the parliament elections, talks about making a deal with russia, fascinating character. we're getting somewhere. i interviewed the previous president three times. then it gets very, very close and i get there in early september for a conference i happen to be going to and i said can i meet him to seal the deal? that's the september 13th meeting that apparently the u.s. embassy was frightened he was going to give the interview that day and do the second half of the quid pro quo, announce the investigations into biden and burisma. they had not confirmed it with us they were still playing, you know. but it looked very good. we were getting down to the logistics, when will he do it, new york, around the time of the u.n. general assembly, which was ten days later. and then the whistle-blower story breaks.