to layout the case. they moved from the quid pro quo language, thank god, because it's so confusing, to an argument that president trump was trying to bribe a foreign power to benefit himself personally. >> that alone was a good move on the communications and messaging front for the democrats. i will say this, scott, we know from just following and watching ukraine that president zelensky, one, a weak and new president. he's a new beat to politics. he was a comedienne a few months before he took power. he's somebody who had to deliver for the people in ukraine. there's no scenario where someone like that is going to say i felt pressured, because that would make him fael weak. we all know the context of that. so i don't think that was an important development. >> i think it was important, actually, that they wouldn't answer that question, scott. because they had answered that question. the republicans would be saying, ah, see, they're never trumpers, they're a part of the deep state. they're here to get the president impeached. instead they said, you know