in dispute. basically, the president has acknowledged that it is official u.s. government policy to encourage, demand that ukraine assist his political campaign by finding dirt on joe biden. i mean, that's just increasingly clear. and the question is, what are the consequences of that. is the president going to be impeached? is he going to be removed from office? because the facts increasingly are not really in dispute. the only thing that's in dispute is, what are the consequences? and i still think that's very much up for grabs. >> well, i mean, you haven't really heard anything from republicans in any way, saying, wow, that's really outrageous. the president appealed to china. jen, as if china has a great legal system and a strong unbiased investigative levers of