solemnity of course it's absolutely impossible to in any way think that it's okay for a foreign power to interfere in an american election, now seems completely on board with it because his boss wants him to, and he's going along with it. >> well, the fact that the vice president is a toadie is not -- is not news or a surprise. but what really is extraordinary here is that the -- i mean, david i think got to it. the facts are increasingly not in dispute. basically, the president has acknowledged that it is official u.s. government policy to encourage, demand that ukraine assist his political campaign by finding dirt on joe biden. i mean, that's just increasingly clear. and the question is what are the