to the counsel. did the counsel sit on it? nobody was really taking it seriously. apparently, according to the committee chairmen, some was wrapped in trump hotel folders, came in trump hotel folders. maybe they didn't take it seriously until all the story started breaking. suddenly, maybe that was then passed on to the inspector general and the inspector general said, eek. i have to do something. >> the e-mails are very interesting. there's been this accusation that state department officials were pushing this leaders in ukraine and other places to find this information. >> giuliani said he was basically working on the behest of the state department. >> exactly. that's never sounded right. i will be interested to see these e-mails. >> it's the counter narrative. >> this is not classified. >> none of it. rudy giuliani talks about it every night on fox news. >> is this normal? i don't -- i still don't