ordinarily have access to it. the white house -- what i mean by that is if you're sort of a country expert or you're in an issue area, you normally would get access to conversations from that area. and other senior people who had security clearance could get it. at the time this conversation happened, the white house had already started restricting these memos, fearful of press leaks. we're told that this memo about this conversation with lavrov and kislyak was restricted even more tightly, so that only very few officials could see it. that said, clearly an understanding of what happened in that conversation did get around, and i would note that this is the same conversation in which the president revealed a highly classified source of information that the united states had about isis operations and also remarked to the russian officials that after having fired jim comey the day before, that he had relieved a lot of pressure on him at the time. remember that when the president fired jim comey, there was suspicion that he had done that