we have the opportunity to act now to prevent a profoundly destabilizing action, an intervention in our democracy before it happens. and i think that is a profoundly urgent action that we need to take right now, and everything else is just as serious. you know, all of these transgressions against our democracy are extremely serious, but we are investigating things that have unfortunately already happened. when it comes to ukraine, we are talking about a potential -- rather, a potential meddling in the 2020 election that has still yet to happen. >> so you have the idea of preemptive action versus what so much of this country believes is a presumptive disposition, which is this is what you guys do. you use your power. you use it to help yourself. you'll take information on any opponent that you can get, and this is what they all do. and that's what he's doing, and it's not really a crime. and maybe you like it. maybe you don't.