it upside down and when a rescue swimmer went into the water he noted that the cover to the outboard motor was off. that indicates there could have been some motor trouble. again, we don't know when the boep capsized. it was stormy -- florida stormy. storms in the afternoon, squalls, no tropical storms but even those can be severe in a small boat. >> the families have founded the perry and austin rescue found to help cover costs. you can donate at go fund me.com/perry and austin. joining me now are the missing boys' moms pamela cohen and carly black. pamela and carly, thank you for being us. i cannot imagine what these last few days have been like for you. what's your understanding carly, of where the search stants stands right now? what have authorities told you? >> i think, from what i've been told is that it's still in full force. and i mean they have brought