of ka wrasse a lot, he has been on speaking tours but debatesing -- >> mr. trump hasn't debated ever before. jeb bush has not been debating in 13 years. >> everybody is trying to lower their expectations. >> simply because this is going to be the single most watched debate. >> especially for a primary. >>. that is largely because of donald trump. >> it's only because of donald trump. >> he is parading. people love the turning of the process into a reality show, the same way that they tuned into the shows because they like the outrageousness. they like it in the politics. >> i don't think this is just about television shows chasing ratings. this is poll driven. i mean this is -- when he started to be a serious candidate at the top of the polls, poll after poll after poll -- that's when the coverage really exploded. >> anna this is not reality