terms of what we understand that he is telling law enforcement -- everybody had been wondering whether joyce mitchell was plan a or a red herring. seems like she was really plan a. >> yeah for as intelligent as these guys are, breaking out of a maximum security prison evading police for three weeks, joyce mitchell was plan a. >> do you think joyce mitchell and gene palmer are as far as it goes as far as helpers inside the prison? >> i think others will be implicated that may or may not they played a role in this. some small thing that somebody did for them. when you add that up -- it's like building a wall. everybody i think provided a brick so to speak if their plan was complete. >> and i mean this thing -- it's obviously going going on a long time. you, you a all the law enforcement personnel have been working a lot of 30s, dangerous conditions -- what does it feel