within about 100 meters of the aircraft and detonate and spray out shrapnel all over the side of the aircraft. if they can find out what that was, they can match that to the type of war head explosive. >> what you're talking about is a war head that explodes, sends out sharapnel and disanables th aircraft, rips it apart and we're seeing large pieces of the aircraft. it's not something that completely disintegrated. >> the war head explodes in the proximity and shoots out all this shrapnel and that's why you're seeing the aircraft breaking up but not necessarily exploding. >> lieutenant colonel, good to have you on. go to jim and phil were mentioning, we got new information from a senior obama administration official who tells us they do in fact believe they transferred, the weapon was transferred into eastern ukraine from russia in recent days or