unlikely. he's being diplomatic. every expert i've spoken to says, no. i guess -- we can create a scenario that has those pings relevant. but we could also create a scenario in the world of fantasy. and at the moment we have to sort of basically call it as it seems to be. what the experts are saying no. unless any of my colleagues, miles or david want to put their neck out in the opposite direction i would say it's not relevant. >> miles, you agree with that? >> i think it's a red herring, anderson. as much as anything that was a little handout after all they had the cameras there. that was a piece of photo opportunity to send some images back to china to let people know they are doing their best to do some searching. what they heard is a different matter. they had a pinger aboard that