>> also you're saying it was basically militia groups in benghazi, of which there were many, large and small. and even the ones who were supposedly pro-western or thankful for the u.s. efforts regarding moammar gadhafi, even they, who didn't want to fight against other militia groups. >> yeah, that is right, there is a deep, deep and dangerous ambiv -- ambivalence among a lot of these people, still call ambassador stevens chris, they would gush about their gratitude to the u.s., and then in the next breath, you know, i think it was the cia that killed ambassador stevens, here they are protecting the culprit, and in the next breath thanking the u.s. it turns out i believe the u.s.