fields, so to speak, it's not a different defense. this is just something that's cute that the media catches on to, just like the twinkie defense. all this is is a way to characterize what the kid's problem is, that the kid has never had any consequences. >> and he still doesn't have any. >> and still -- sunny, if you let me finish, i'll get there. >> you've been talking for awhile, a long time and saying the same thing over and over again, mark. which really doesn't make sense. you're saying, in a sense, that this is just, that this kid kills four people and gets away with it. >> i didn't say it was just. i told you you're not going to get justice in the halls of justice. >> this system is designed to make sure -- >> in the halls of justice -- >> there are no consequences -- >> what about -- >> this is sending a terrible message to other kids that suffer from affluenza and kids that suffer from poorenza that there is this inequality. and you can get away with murder and you're wrong! >> sunny, you should know better than to just put out that. that is not the message that's being sent.