corrupt and going after jesus, making a distinction between them and the average jew on the street in jerusalem, i'm actually dealing with that very issue. the fact is that jesus was quite popular with the people. that's why this small group of leaders tried him overnight. that's why they were concerned that the crowds would rise up, that he could lead a rebellion, and when they paraded him to the streets the next day after that overnight trial, and took him out to be crucified, the people wept and wailed so the idea that all the jews of that time crucified jesus and were part of that conspiracy is false. in making that distinction i'm trying to strike at that antisemetic lie that existed all throughout our history. >> you are a serious scholar. you studied this since the '70s so there is probably very little that you haven't read or seen or talked about with other experts. in terms of the mythology around the death of jesus christ, what would you say now is definitely myth and what is indisputable pretty well widely agreed fact