all of us, regardless of our denomination want the pope to do a good job. the world needs to know the good news. so many times, scandal, corruption, the darkness of the human condition, the result of sin, becomes the headlines every day. we are seeing this thing with cardinal mahoney. i think it's unfair what's happening to him. i don't think he's acted differently than any other cardinal or bishop. if you look at all of the cardinals and bishops throughout the world, they have all participated, to a great extent in the cover-up. the fact is that's how the church operates. they operate in secret. it's a generalization. >> you are saying every cardinal in the world acted that way? it's not true, albert. where do you get your statistics? >> what we know about what cardinal mahoney did and the